Why didn't the Keen games utilize their palette better?

guynietoren · Post by **guynietoren** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 17:52

DHeadshot wrote:The palette to which you refer is the default Windows 16-colour palette - if you run a windowed Dos program in XP, these are the colours used. Similarly if you change your display to 16-colours.

Weird. Well I tried the Windows 3.1 version of paint, but it didn't dither. Probably since I had windows set to 32 bit instead of 4 bit (16 colors). Not sure if many newer computers can go down that low without help. Mine right now only has 16 and 32 bit to choose from. Oh well. I'll just have to improvise as I usually do in that area with art.

DHeadshot · Post by **DHeadshot** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 18:11

guynietoren wrote:
DHeadshot wrote:The palette to which you refer is the default Windows 16-colour palette - if you run a windowed Dos program in XP, these are the colours used. Similarly if you change your display to 16-colours.
Weird. Well I tried the Windows 3.1 version of paint, but it didn't dither. Probably since I had windows set to 32 bit instead of 4 bit (16 colors). Not sure if many newer computers can go down that low without help. Mine right now only has 16 and 32 bit to choose from. Oh well. I'll just have to improvise as I usually do in that area with art.

It should never dither the fill tool...[Edit - forgot the >16bit colours...

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It dithers B/W properly though - you can at least do that...

guynietoren · Post by **guynietoren** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 18:13

Well just not as I remembered it working.
I did remember the fill tool using dithered colors. But I used Win 3.14. Not sure if that's any different.

DHeadshot · Post by **DHeadshot** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 21:53

3.14? Windows Pi?

guynietoren · Post by **guynietoren** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 22:44

Grr. Now I feel bad for making that reference without having proof of it. I'd have to ask my dad if he still has his old install disks for that. I remember when he bought it, along with DOS 6.0. It didn't occur to me that it was the same number for Pi till just now.

Man I hope he hasn't trashed those disks by now. This could be sweet.
Would basically be Win3.1 with a service pack.

It's possible I'm thinking of 3.11, but was sure there was a 4 in there...

DaVince · Post by **DaVince** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 13:14

guynietoren wrote:Grr. Now I feel bad for making that reference without having proof of it. I'd have to ask my dad if he still has his old install disks for that. I remember when he bought it, along with DOS 6.0. It didn't occur to me that it was the same number for Pi till just now.

Man I hope he hasn't trashed those disks by now. This could be sweet.
Would basically be Win3.1 with a service pack.

It's possible I'm thinking of 3.11, but was sure there was a 4 in there...

3.14 doesn't exist, must have been 3.11.

DHeadshot · Post by **DHeadshot** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 16:56

DaVince wrote:
guynietoren wrote:Grr. Now I feel bad for making that reference without having proof of it. I'd have to ask my dad if he still has his old install disks for that. I remember when he bought it, along with DOS 6.0. It didn't occur to me that it was the same number for Pi till just now.

Man I hope he hasn't trashed those disks by now. This could be sweet.
Would basically be Win3.1 with a service pack.

It's possible I'm thinking of 3.11, but was sure there was a 4 in there...
3.14 doesn't exist, must have been 3.11.

Microsoft often tack a few numbers to the end for updates etc, so it may have been something like 3.1104...

DaVince · Post by **DaVince** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:18

No, I'm quite sure they didn't for Windows 3.1/3.11. Those were likely the only versions around; heck, 3.11 was already an update on 3.1 where they attached a 1 at the end.

Post by **tulip** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 21:42

remember that this topic is not about windows 3.xx

Galaxieretter · Post by **Galaxieretter** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:25

Levellass wrote:
I think some of the younger members here, no offense, don't quite understand how spectacular Commander Keen was at the time it was made.
It was color, the screen moved. You had a whole big story and cheats. There were THREE games in the series. Incredible.

That's exactly what I said right before the quote...

DaVince · Post by **DaVince** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 14:13

tulip wrote:remember that this topic is not about windows 3.xx

You're right, could you split it?

Post by **tulip** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 17:54

No, because I don't think you repeatedly stating there is no 3.14 and guynitoren saying he isn't sure anymore doesn't warrant for a new topic I think. Also I'm sick of replies to my moderational remarks. They're not meant to be the topic of a discussion. It's my job if a derailment goes on to stop it. I know how to split topics, don't worry.
So unless guynitoren actually finds a copy of 3.14 there's no new topic, and please everybody refrain from replying to this particular post.

IMA3HDDMNKY · Post by **IMA3HDDMNKY** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:41

DaVince wrote:No, I'm quite sure they didn't for Windows 3.1/3.11. Those were likely the only versions around; heck, 3.11 was already an update on 3.1 where they attached a 1 at the end.

What about Windows 3.2?