Stealthy's Keen 4 Stealth Challenge

Stealthy71088 · Post by **Stealthy71088** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:03

I decided to try to play through Keen 4 on hard, without shooting any enemies or splatting any skypests. No in level saves. It's a lot harder than I thought it would be, and I've been having a lot of close calls.

I'm uploading all the videos to youtube. Here's the first one. I'm already through Crystalus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7JhQC3g2nk

Some of the deaths I had were kind of funny, but I'm only uploading the good videos. If any of you are curious about the deaths, let me know and I'll post some of the funnier ones.

-Stealthy71088

GARGapplesauce · Post by **GARGapplesauce** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:34

pretty darn good

I subbed.

KeenEmpire · Post by **KeenEmpire** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:12

impressive

Scarlet · Post by **Scarlet** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:33

Can't wait to see the pyramid of the forbidden on hard mode without shooting.

I would have killed some of those flying pests though.

I just realize that crystalis is not that hard on hard mode compared to the secret pyramid. I once beat it on hard. Had to save a lot though. :/
It's kinda interesting how that bird got caught.stuck at the dropdown in the crystalis level.

Grimson · Post by **Grimson** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:38

You can't pass Pyramid of the Forbidden without shooting, as there are slugs that block narrow passages. I think the same occurs in certain other levels, too.

Nospike · Post by **Nospike** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:14

Yeah, IIRC you have to stun arachnuts blocking the passages in Sand Yego.

kuliwil · Post by **kuliwil** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:33

Yeah, I considered doing this a while ago and then thought long and hard about the K4 levels and decided it won't be worth it. It is marginally possible, possible, and I wish you the best of skill in your attempt

DHeadshot · Post by **DHeadshot** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 16:09

Nospike wrote:Yeah, IIRC you have to stun arachnuts blocking the passages in Sand Yego.

That's technically OK in a Pacifist challenge, since they get back up afterwards...

Stealthy71088 · Post by **Stealthy71088** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 16:26

Grimson wrote:You can't pass Pyramid of the Forbidden without shooting, as there are slugs that block narrow passages. I think the same occurs in certain other levels, too.

That's the problem I'm having right now- There's slugs in narrow passages in the Pyramid of Shadows, the Pyramid of the Forbidden, the Pyramid of the Gnostiene Ancients. While there are some slugs and arachnuts in narrow passages in Sand Yego, I've found a way past them (It's just very tough.)

I also *think* I've found a way past the ones in the Pyramid of the Shadows too.

Does anyone know if the slugs can be jumped if you're close enough? I don't know their collision boxes, but I suspect you can.

GARGapplesauce · Post by **GARGapplesauce** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 19:01

I've actually just been working with slug collision boxes: it may be VERY slightly possible, if done just at the right time, and the passage had clearance abouve just about half of Keen's hight, maybe requires a little more, though. That's just my estimate, though, from what I've been working with... it may be tough, but you could try it. Open up a new game, though. don't use your youtube copy. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, people.

shikadi · Post by **shikadi** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 22:17

look stealthy, even mods can be completed without shooting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81eximaV ... r_embedded

Stealthy71088 · Post by **Stealthy71088** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 22:41

Very cool!

I've been thinking about doing mods too, both galaxy and vorticons. Not all of them are beatable without shooting though, so I'm toying with running them with my modded keen sprites with "super powers".

Stealthy71088 · Post by **Stealthy71088** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:52

I've reached a verdict. The Pyramid of Shadows is possible, except for the first poison slug on the second screen. It's the middle screen in the picture.

http://www.shikadi.net/keenwiki/File:Ck4lv12.png

It's physically impossible to hop this slug. Is it permissible to turn on God mode, pass the slug, and turn it off again immediately after I've walked past it? I can beat the rest, including the slugs on the bridge (I have to be super sneaky to best those slugs, but I can't jump them either.)

GARGapplesauce · Post by **GARGapplesauce** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:02

If the rest of the game is legit, I wouldn't care if you had one inch of game on god mode... then again I wouldn't find it legit if I was doing the run... but thats just because I'm a terrible perfectionist...

Oh, and for the record the hitbox (collision box) IS smaller when its in the "stretched-out" part of its crawl.

Stealthy71088 · Post by **Stealthy71088** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:44

GARGapplesauce wrote:Oh, and for the record the hitbox (collision box) IS smaller when its in the "stretched-out" part of its crawl.

Believe it or not, my problem in terms of jumping slugs is horizontal, not vertical. I can get on top of them (I think- it is kind of hard to tell moving that quickly) but Keen doesn't move fast enough to clear the slug.

With God mode on that slug I've gotten very close.... the rest of the level is doable, just incredibly tough without shooting. Poison Slugs are fast becoming the deadliest enemy in the run.