source code found?

Post by **Levellass** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 0:45

Paramultart wrote:All they need to do is flip a switch to make it legal so Tom can upload the files. It's no skin off their backs.

Indeed and all the US government has to do is run the country. Doesn't mean either of them is going to make it easy.

Paramultart · Post by **Paramultart** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:39

Oh, I thought I overwrote my screenshot, but apparently it's still here:

Not very eloquent, but it gets the point across. I hope everyone else messages them.

Post by **tulip** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:00

I've been working in a gaming company for almost a year now an
a) I don't think they will release the rights to tom simply because - if there even has been created a ticket for the task - it's so infinitely low prio that it'll never be done, nobody there has any interest whatsoever in releasing it.

b) I don't think they will do a mobile version of it, because the target audience is little larger than this communities size and even if they have thought about it then see a) concerning the prio.

Don't get me wrong Paramultart, I like your call to action, just knowing the inner workings of a gaming company (two of them already - I know the support departments too, the ones dealing with your mail), makes me believe noone will ever even read those mails.

Roobar · Post by **Roobar** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:37

tulip wrote:a) I don't think they will release the rights to tom simply because - if there even has been created a ticket for the task - it's so infinitely low prio that it'll never be done, nobody there has any interest whatsoever in releasing it.

Oh yeah? If we bitchin about it in to a game news related websites and vloggers, petitions and whatnot, you'll see how suddenly they care about it!

NY00123 · Post by **NY00123** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:22

Well, to write about something I've roughly thought of, at least, talking about...

It's soon going to be:

- Two months since the extraction of the source code.
- One month since the quick Twits between Lunick and ablitter.

Hence, originally I've planned to talk at some place (say IRC) about the situation this week, more or less, possibly suggesting to ask Hall about the situation, first. Truly, it seems to be relatively clear: He tried contacting id (that is, ZeniMax?) in some way, and got no answer so far, at least according to what we know at this stage.

Once we'd get an answer from him about the situation, we'd continue with further suggestions.

At least that has been the rough plan from my side.

VikingBoyBilly · Post by **VikingBoyBilly** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 14:01

wiivn wrote:
tulip wrote:a) I don't think they will release the rights to tom simply because - if there even has been created a ticket for the task - it's so infinitely low prio that it'll never be done, nobody there has any interest whatsoever in releasing it.
Oh yeah? If we bitchin about it in to a game news related websites and vloggers, petitions and whatnot, you'll see how suddenly they care about it!

You weren't around for all those petitions demanding EarthBound 64 and a western release of Mother 3, were you?

short answer: they still won't care.

Roobar · Post by **Roobar** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 14:47

VikingBoyBilly wrote:
wiivn wrote:
tulip wrote:a) I don't think they will release the rights to tom simply because - if there even has been created a ticket for the task - it's so infinitely low prio that it'll never be done, nobody there has any interest whatsoever in releasing it.
Oh yeah? If we bitchin about it in to a game news related websites and vloggers, petitions and whatnot, you'll see how suddenly they care about it!
You weren't around for all those petitions demanding EarthBound 64 and a western release of Mother 3, were you?

short answer: they still won't care.

Only because they didn't replied yet and because of some failed petitions (the ones you pointed out are not even related to what we want), you cannot say that they don't care! I don't like the fact that they didn't release the code yet, but they already have released some sources and unless they officially refuse to release it, only then we can know for sure. Otherwise we can only make presumptions. Anyway, states like "they don't care" doesn't help much. Right now I believe is time to know what Tom thinks about all this before we do anything else.

Paramultart · Post by **Paramultart** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 15:03

Whether they listen or not is up to them, but in the meantime it's up to us to do our part in annoying the piss out of them.
They are inconveniencing us greatly by holding this over our heads, so if we could at least get their attention then we made a difference.
We don't know they won't release the source code... They did for Quake I-III and even Doom 3. Why not Keen?

NY00123 · Post by **NY00123** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 15:21

Paramultart wrote:We don't know they won't release the source code... They did for Quake I-III and even Doom 3. Why not Keen?

Well, just a few examples for differences that I can observe:
- The source codes for Quake I-III were released back in the pre-ZeniMax days, when id was, at least up to some level, more of a standalone entity. Of course it always had to depend on some publisher (like Activision), and it was actually stated that they preferred ZeniMax over Activision or EA in this role.
- While the Doom 3 source code was released after the acquisition by ZeniMax, Carmack was still a true employee of id. These days, although it may not be entirely confirmed, and Carmack may still technically be an id employee, signs show that this is not the case anymore, at least practically.

Captainkeen · Post by **Captainkeen** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 15:27

Why didn't or doesn't Tom simply anonymously "leak" the scource code. Who's going to care or prove it was him.

Paramultart · Post by **Paramultart** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 15:51

Captainkeen wrote:Why didn't or doesn't Tom simply anonymously "leak" the scource code. Who's going to care or prove it was him.

I agree. He should have leaked it privately to a few members on PCKF so that it could be safely distributed amongst us, and THEN striven for a legal, public release through ZeniMax.

NY00123 · Post by **NY00123** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 15:59

Sadly for many here, there's no chance that Hall messes with the copyright holders, and it is the case that he's very far from being the only individual who'd go by that path.

Who more? Oh yeah: Probably any of us, for instance. At least in theory.

Furthermore, I'm not sure about this, but maybe we should try less aggressive paths first. See my one-before-the-preceding post for what I've planned, which has (sort of) already begun on the PCKF IRC. Not necessarily *that* interesting but still mentioning.

Roobar · Post by **Roobar** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 17:02

So did someone talked to Tom already?

NY00123 · Post by **NY00123** » Sun Nov 03, 2013 18:24

wiivn wrote:So did someone talked to Tom already?

I confirm that the answer is "yes". Not sure about posting the reply right now for some strange reason, but it's sort-of not hard to find it...based on one of my posts here. But yeah, someone asked.

gerstrong · Post by **gerstrong** » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:08

Paramultart wrote:
Captainkeen wrote:Why didn't or doesn't Tom simply anonymously "leak" the scource code. Who's going to care or prove it was him.
I agree. He should have leaked it privately to a few members on PCKF so that it could be safely distributed amongst us, and THEN striven for a legal, public release through ZeniMax.

Do you think he trusts anybody here and even being anonymous, I guess there is a way to hunt him down if somebody really needs to, and does he really want to help us, I'm not that sure...