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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:38
by Lava89
It would be interesting to see some kind of law inacted to deal with situations where the rights of the creator to their creation are no longer held by them. Like Commander Keen, Wasteland and even Oswald the Lucky Rabbit.

Oswald was created by Ub Iwerks and Walt Disney, but were under contract to Universal which fanangled him from underneath Walt. Eventually they stopped doing anything with the character and the Walt Disney Company ended up "trading" him back for sports newscaster Al Michaels nearly 80 years later. Since being grabbed by Disney they were already able to feature him in the platformer game series "Epic Mickey".

Wasteland was the spiritual predecessor to the Fallout series, created by Brian Fargo. He wanted to create a sequel after making the first game but publisher EA moved onto other things. 26 years later Fargo was able to make Wasteland 2 after the rights expired under Konami (go figure how they got them! haha).

This law would recognize two things that all three cases have in common-- the company currently holding the rights has done nothing with the character \ IP and another entity has claimed more rightful ownership. Of course, this would have to be determined case by case (i.e. Tom Hall would have to put together a strong argument as to why he should get Keen back). I'd best describe it as kind of the way custody rights work between divorced parents, in the US. Its also similar to how Marvel negotiated movie rights to other studios-- if they don't make any new movies with those characters, they go back to Marvel, the rightful owner.

There's obviously some exceptions to this; for instance, using this law for Duke Nukem would be a bit murky, as to claiming who exactly owns rightful ownership. Since its debatable whether he was in better hands of the old 3D Realms after Duke Forever...though the Interceptor guys, who now own 3DR, might do better with him...but can they claim proper ownership of Nukem? Secondly, in the case of Spyro, he's technically being used in Skylanders and Insomniac feels they've moved on from the character. Thirdly, Fallout has been really successful under Bethesda, so the original developers can't really claim rights under the first condition. Lastly, Lucas could never claim rightful ownership of Star Wars because he was handsomely compensated for its sale.

However, I think with a law like this Disney and Fargo would've been reunited with their property much sooner, instead of happening to fall upon luck and unless Tom Hall shares the same good deal of luck, he may need some kind of legal "umph" if he ever wants to see those rights again.

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:44
by SupFanat
This is my opinion.
Generally entire copyright to every copyright owned by company should be cut to no more than 20-30 years. No single company depends on renevue from ancient things.

Some examples of things things which in my opinion should undergo copyright expiration to protect public domain from current non-existence:
- Mickey Mouse
- almost all Tom and Jerry cartoons with exception of very few modern ones
- absolutely every software which needs emulators to work properly
- all obsolete OS even if it's only few years old. Only to prevent waste of money by senseless lawsuits about something obsolete.

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 18:36
by Fleexy
If we do get a hold of the rights, I would much prefer that the source be released under the MIT license instead of the GPL. (MIT allows sublicensing and commercial use.)

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 18:41
by ScarletFlame
We need to get Carmack to use his L337 haxor skills to "accidentally leak" the source code.

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 22:59
by Flaose
Lunick wrote:Go find Commander Keen 6 first.
Atari holds the rights. Or at least they probably do.

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 23:42
by ScarletFlame
Flaose wrote:
Lunick wrote:Go find Commander Keen 6 first.
Atari holds the rights. Or at least they probably do.
The rights to keen are confusing. Separate games owned by separate people.

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:05
by Lava89
So if someone gets the rights to each individual Keen game (1-6, Dreams, GBC), do they get to make TUIT?

You know, kind of like collecting all of the Chaos Emeralds?

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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:45
by Keening_Product
Given the person who bought KD does not have rights over the IP except an unlimited license to redistribute that game, I doubt it. Though, having said that, KD has always been a special case and always distributed under license.

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:10
by SupFanat
Are there any news about Commander Keen 6? I know that the risk of being sued because of such old stuff is zero but I think you'd like to do it because you love the idea itself... :)

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:05
by RoboBlue
ScarletFlame wrote:
Flaose wrote:
Lunick wrote:Go find Commander Keen 6 first.
Atari holds the rights. Or at least they probably do.
The rights to keen are confusing. Separate games owned by separate people.
Can we start declaring rights legally dead?
Like, if nobody knows who owns the rights to something for a period of time, we can just call it public domain.

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:04
by SupFanat
I know that most probably no one is even going to sue anyone for the sake of protecting the cheap $4.99 Steam pack from being pirated. But I do know that your ideology does have such value as having all Commander Keen games as public domain, doesn't it?

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:01
by Keening_Product
Use the IP and you will probably find out who owns the rights pretty quickly, albeit via a lawyer.

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:53
by Lunick
I dare someone to put Keen 6 on Steam Greenlight :dopefish

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 21:26
by Nospike
SupFanat wrote:If I was Bill Gates I'd admit that Windows 8 is simply a fail for it's original purpose and since it's a fail instantly stop caring if it's pirated or not. I'd redefine it as historical document and set the price to zero to encourage people to use it as historical document. First fail since 27 years is acceptable loss. Ideally a law snould exist that fail products can't be copyrighted - it would encourage companies to stop trying to use fail products as source of renevue.
Windows 8 is by far not Microsoft's only major failure in the last 27 years. Windows ME anyone?

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 0:26
by ScarletFlame
Nospike wrote: Windows 8 is by far not Microsoft's only major failure in the last 27 years. Windows ME anyone?
Don't forget Vista.