Commander Keen in: No Sense of Perspective

Deltamatic · Post by **Deltamatic** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 21:08

I was toying around in the Armageddon Machine, and look what came my way:

I had been pogoing around the area, and caught the pole mid-jump.
Has this happened to anybody else? Or have I discovered a new bug?

Genius314 · Post by **Genius314** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 21:24

I forgot about this one!

Yeah, I've seen it. I think that's the only place that it happens.

Post by **Fleexy** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 21:48

That's... unique. I can't seem to get it.

Mink · Post by **Mink** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 22:31

That's pretty neat. I can't believe I never noticed that.

And while we're discussing perspective, is it just me, or does Keen seem to be at the wrong angle when facing left?

I'm no expert at perspective, but shouldn't his right side be farther back than his left, thus making his back more visible than his front? As it is, he seems to rotated towards the camera rather than facing left. Has this been brought up before, or am I crazy?

Deltamatic · Post by **Deltamatic** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 23:16

Yes, he faces towards the camera while stopped, but when running he runs in a straight line parallel to the camera lens. So he just has an odd habit of turning to one side when he's standing.

Syllypryde · Post by **Syllypryde** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 23:17

Deltamatic wrote:I was toying around in the Armageddon Machine, and look what came my way:

I had been pogoing around the area, and caught the pole mid-jump.
Has this happened to anybody else? Or have I discovered a new bug?

I have seen this many times. But for whatever reason I never thought much about it. I find your thread title quite amusing.

Deltamatic · Post by **Deltamatic** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 0:25

It isn't on the KeenWiki page for Keen 5 bugs, so could it be added?

Mink · Post by **Mink** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 0:32

I'd say it definitely warrants a mention. Want me to add it?

Syllypryde · Post by **Syllypryde** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 0:54

Mink wrote:I'd say it definitely warrants a mention. Want me to add it?

If you are going to add it, make sure you post the pic as well.

Mink · Post by **Mink** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:11

Done. Feel free to add to or revise it, and I hope you don't mind my uploading of your image, Delta.

Deltamatic · Post by **Deltamatic** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:23

No, not at all! Glad I could help.

Post by **KeenRush** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 14:15

Yep, this has happened to me, and sometimes when I've "down-jumped" through those holes in the floor Keen has shown as foreground...

No idea what triggers that bug.

Syllypryde · Post by **Syllypryde** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 14:22

KeenRush wrote:Yep, this has happened to me, and sometimes when I've "down-jumped" through those holes in the floor Keen has shown as foreground... No idea what triggers that bug.

The one time I have seen this bug is at that specific pole in Regulation Control Center. Since Ceilick is currently working on his Keen 5 mod, I am sure Levelass and he can and will patch out this bug. I am sure one of them can fill us in on how that bug is possible.

Post by **Levellass** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:55

Has this happened to anybody else? Or have I discovered a new bug?

I actually investigated this, it happens when Keen's foreground property is increased by 1 (To 2) instead of being SET to 1, and yes, it happens during pogoing and pole gripping. I have not yet been able to make it 'stick'

Other bugs I have found:

* In one level there is a piece of hidden candy you cannot get (It is inside a solid tile)
* On the map it is possible to appear in front of some of the Korath base tiles
* The Korath base has a 1-tile error in it.
* The arch going to the level before the Q.E.D in the map has a one tile error in it.

Genius314 · Post by **Genius314** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:18

Levellass wrote:* In one level there is a piece of hidden candy you cannot get (It is inside a solid tile)
* On the map it is possible to appear in front of some of the Korath base tiles
* The Korath base has a 1-tile error in it.
* The arch going to the level before the Q.E.D in the map has a one tile error in it.

I'd like to know more about these... which level is that candy in?

On a similar note, in Keen 6's First Dome of Darkness, there's a couple points that are inaccessible, hidden in one of the blocks (I think it's the second one below the switch, with the four vivas sitting on it), that's surrounded completely by solid tiles. The area itself is hollow, but there's no entrance to it.

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