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Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 17:57
by Ozymandias81
As a reminder again, we are using Commander Keen 4 stuff for this big easter-egg, so let's see what's left from today (read reply date in case for future comparison):

ARACHNUT - A2A8/A3A7/A4A6 ; B2B8/B3B7/B4B6 ; C2C8/C3C7/C4C6 ; D2D8/D3D7/D4D6 ; E2E8/E3E7/E4E6

BERKELOID - A3A7/A4A6 ; B3B7/B4B6 ; C1/C3C7/C4C6/C5 ; D1/D3D7/D4D6/D5 ; E1/E3E7/E4E6/E5 ; F1/F3F7/F4F6/F5

BLUE BIRD - A8A2/A7A3/A6A4 ; B8B2/B7B3/B6B4 ; C8C2/C7C3/C6C4 ; D8D2/D7D3/D6D4 ; E8E2/E7E3/E6E4 ; F1/F5

BOUNDER - Seems complete

COUNCIL MEMBER - A1/A3A7/A4A6/A5 ; B1/B3B7/B4B6/B5 ; C2C8/C3C7/C4C6/C5

INCHWORM - Seems complete

LICK - E1/E7E3 ; F1/F5; G1/G6G4/G7G3

MAD MUSHROOM - Seems complete but may use 8 rotations

MIMROCK - Seems complete

POISON SLUG - Seems complete

PRINCESS LINDSEY - A2A8/A3A7/A4A6 ; B2B8/B3B7/B4B6 ; C2C8/C3C7/C4C6 ; D2D8/D3D7/D4D6

SCHOOLFISH - A1/A5 ; B1/B5

SKYPEST - H1/H5 ; I1/I5

SPRITE - A2A8/A3A7/A4A6/A5 ; B2B8/B3B7/B4B6/B5 ; C1/C5

TREASURE EATER (8 rotations) - A2-4-7-8 ; B2-4-7-8 ; C2-4-7-8 ; D2-4-7-8 ; E2-4-7-8 ; F2-4-7-8

WORMOUTH - G6G4/G7G3/G8G2 ; H6H4/H7H3/H8H2 ; I6I4/I7I3/I8I2

Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 18:26
by Zilem
I ought to say Nisaba you did great work on these sprites Image

But to be honest i though the Sprites needed to have 8 angles like in Doom:
┌ ^ ┐
< x >
└ v ┘
So that it is not 8, but 4 is a relief...

Which is also what Duplication i see in the folder is showing is reflecting
But.... erm... I've got no Enigma coding machine, So i don't know what any of those Numbers mean...
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Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 19:06
by Tormentor667
Zilem wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 18:26
But to be honest i though the Sprites needed to have 8 angles like in Doom: So that it is not 8, but 4 is a relief...
You are right regarding the Doom technique. But we are only using 4 directions for this mod to avoid too much work and complexity. If Someone (or even Nisaba) is willed to do additional 4 directions, we are mor than happy about it, but for now, the 4-directional variant works.

As I have said: North and South are additional, East and West are from the regular Keen game and the Northeast/west and Southeast/west variants are used from the East and West ones.

@Nisaba - If Virgilio's last post is too complicated for you, here is an explanation of what the numbers mean:
  • SPRT A 1 - SPRT is the sprite prefix, A the animation frame and 1 the direction, in this case "South" (facing the player)
  • SPRT A 5 - the number 5 is "North" (facing away from the player)
  • SPRT A 2 - the number 2 is "South West" (facing the player, direction left)
  • SPRT A 3 - the number 2 is "West" (facing the left direction)
  • The sprite names A4 to A8 are clockwisely arranged, where A8 is direction right towards the player
  • SPRT A 2 A 8 - this variant means that 2 is facing "South West" and the same sprite is being mirrored facing "South East"
  • SPRT A 8 A 2 - this variant is the same as above, just vice versa
  • SPRT A 0 - if a 0 is used, it means that the object has no directional sprites at all, works good for columns, round objects that look the same from each angle.
I hope that helps :)

Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 20:51
by Tormentor667
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...I have no idea what I am doing, but it works

Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 13:25
by Tormentor667
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Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 18:03
by keenmaster486
This is crazy. Is this something that could be made into a standalone game instead of just an easter egg?

Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 21:33
by nanomekia
Dang man, this is looking sweet. I like it!

Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:49
by Zilem
Looks good Image
although not a Fan of the HDX rendering Image
I prefer the Pixel art Quality even in 1080p in GzDoom ;p
just with better scaling in distance then 3 Pixels tall something (back in the olden times in Doom93 or Doom-win95)
keenmaster486 wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 18:03
This is crazy. Is this something that could be made into a standalone game instead of just an easter egg?
I think that is the thing that sometimes was Joked about on Mr Icarus' streams as "Brutal Keen" Image
I recall someone mentioned that Doing a Playtrough of a Mod in Particular ;p

Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 13:31
by DoomJedi
Well, in BoA as in GZDoom one can select a rendering method. I play with pixel one as well.

Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 20:51
by Tormentor667
Nisaba wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 20:04
[Sprites]
@Nisaba - I hope you are still in a spriting mood :)

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Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 23:34
by Nisaba
I'm totally into it. haven't had much spare time recently but I'll surly try to come up with one or two more sprite alterations.

awesome screenshots by the way. the underwater image has a really claustrophobic look and feel. i think the blueish filter adds a lot of atmosphere to it.

the last image somehow reminds me a bit of the level design of The Perilous Pit. do you plan to ruffly follow the original Keen 4 level designs?
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Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 16:56
by Ozymandias81
@Nisaba - About maps, I can say that Torm is getting inspired from Keen 4 levels, even by Miragia for example :evil

And now let's try to explain better what's missed here and there: some actors on Blade of Agony may use 8 or 5 rotations, but even only 4, so the images you gonna see here will give you a proper idea of the frame needed and which kind of orientation we seek for. No worries about the inverted order for some frames, a2-a3-a4 means always SW-W-NW cardinal points and in case one starts with a6-a7-a8 they are just mirrored a2-a3-a4 so something we'll fix on the mod later when frames ready.

Here we go:

ARACHNUT
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BERKELOID and SKYPEST
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BLUE BIRD
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COUNCIL MEMBER and DOPEFISH
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LICK and PRINCESS LINDSEY - Lick requires frontal firing frames in case you don't get it
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SCHOOLFISH, WORMOUTH and SPRITE
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TREASURE EATER
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Hope these are suffice to let you understand which frames we are still missing and which kind of orientation they should have.

Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 17:58
by Nisaba
let's proceed with something simple, shall we?!

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Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 18:11
by Ozymandias81
Nisaba wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 17:58
let's proceed with something simple, shall we?!

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Lovely start, thanks a bunch @Nisaba :love

Re: Need art help for big Keen easter egg/tribute

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:30
by Tormentor667
Nisaba wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 17:58
let's proceed with something simple, shall we?!

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So beautiful :)