GoPlats or Koraths?

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GoPlats or Koraths?

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I was playing keen 5 and reading the commander keen 9 wiki, and i found something i don't understand.

What's the difference between a GoPlat and a Korath??

Well, i know that koraths are this things :korath
And i know GoPlat is the code name for the movibg platforms.

Also i know that korath also are named "GoPlat" because in the only leven they appear, it os possible to find an error related with a GoPlat (moving platform)

But the commander keen 9 wiki says that the service droid is a "korath" replacement, and the krodscian drone is a "GoPlat" Replacement.

Both npc's seems to be a korath replacement, but why the krodacian drone says "GoPlat" replacement.

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Re: GoPlats or Koraths?

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Well, I didn't notice this thing before. Interesting question! :-b

I think Ceilick or one of " The Universe is Toast!" team can shed light on this matter.

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Hmmm, for some reason I was thinking the GoPlats and Giks from Keen 6 were one and the same.

If I had to guess I'd say they're the moving platforms, but now I'm curious too.
Edit:Here's something that might shed some light on it
http://www.shikadi.net/keenwiki/Patch:Goplat_(Keen_5)
According to Lass (who wrote that page) the GoPlats are the moving platforms following a set path
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So, according to this wiki page:

http://www.shikadi.net/keenwiki/Goplat

I think the answer is that name (Goplat) has often been used to describe Koraths :korath for the error that usually occurs when you enter the secret level of Keen 5, but still these two words are different things. That's why in Keen 9 there is a replacement of Korath and another one of Goplat.

What do you think about this reasoning? :pogo

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The reason is because of how keen modding works.
If you are curious about this, have a look at BotB.PAT with Notepad.
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service droids and krodacian drones has the same "movement sequence" (they move left or right, then they stand, and they re-direction left or right)

i think is related with the engine. keen 7 and 8 replaces the enemies with the exact same behavior as in keen 4, 6. But in keen 9, the behaviors are sightly modified.

Example.

keen 4 (7): arachnuts move fast and only can be stunned for a short time, same as krodacians.

keen 6 (8): flects always look at you, and they reflects your shoots, exactly the same that mirbots do.

keen 5 (9): little amptons move, they stop for working on computers, and when they are in front of a pole, they slide. But yetis move, they don't stop, they don't use poles, and they can throw snowballs.
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Koraths are not Goplats and cannot trigger the goplat error normally, instead this is usually triggered by a GoPlat (Short for Go-Platform.) moving somewhere where it doesn't have an arrow to tell it where to go. This can be recreated easily enough in custom levels.

As such 'GoPlat' is the developer's name for the moving platforms and not the creatures that ride them.
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so... why krodacian drones are a "GoPlat" Replacement? :confused :confused :confused
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Anything can replace anything. GoPlats needed to be replaced to make room for other things.
Zoltan's Revenge also has some very cool platform patching:
http://www.shikadi.net/keenwiki/Zoltan%27s_Revenge
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IceDuck347 wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 22:57
so... why krodacian drones are a "GoPlat" Replacement? :confused :confused :confused
The term 'replacement' and its entire concept (To me) is rather poor. It can be straightforward when patches are simple, recolor the Bounder and make it deadly and you have an easily identifiable 'Bounder replacement'. However what if you are near the end of your project and want a new enemy and all that is left is the Egg? Patch it into some sort of bird and make it use the Schoolfish behavior to track Keen. Now you have an 'Egg replacement' but with no real relation to the Egg. And what if you duplicate the Schoolfish? Are both replacements? It can get confusing.
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And what if you duplicate the Egg? Are they monozygotic twins?
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Don't be silly.

They're clones.
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Mod where every enemy is replaced by a unique type of egg go go go.

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Don't egg them on, dude.

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Re: GoPlats or Koraths?

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Plasma Captain wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 14:17
Mod where every enemy is replaced by a unique type of egg go go go.
*Writes this down for a possible Keen day release*
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