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thehackercat wrote:Aaand.. there's a difference between hackers (members of open-source communities) and crackers (people who break into things).
No one really uses the terms like that anymore..
Well, no one inside the open-source community. I'll bet if you asked anyone on the street what a hacker is, they'd tell you it's someone who breaks into computers.
And a cracker is a white guy, or Ritz.
I always thought a hacker had knowledge of computer security and hacking, and a cracker was a hacker who broke into computers in a malicious way.
Whereas the more general term for "hacker" could include people who know how to hack for constructive purposes (e.g. helping a company strengthen their server security) and those who "crack" into stuff.
A friend of mine had a lengthy conversation with the school's IT guy on this subject.... in Notepad, while the IT guy was using a takeover program on his computer.
Shonikado wrote:Looking back on what we've done and wanting to change it is the first step in becoming a weakling that cannot do anything.
I was e-mailing something home from school so I could work on it later, and I typed "I AM NOT USING A PROXY SERVER" in real big letters. It worked.
(and I wasn't)
This sounds similar to 'white hat' and 'black hat' hackers, or even light and dark magic. In the end it's trying to put a distinction based only on morals or intentions. You may as well ask 'What is a virus?' (If I write a program to clear out old temp files, is that a virus? What if it sometimes causes office setup files to be deleted?)
What you really need, not what you think you ought to want.
Levellass wrote:This sounds similar to 'white hat' and 'black hat' hackers, or even light and dark magic. In the end it's trying to put a distinction based only on morals or intentions. You may as well ask 'What is a virus?' (If I write a program to clear out old temp files, is that a virus? What if it sometimes causes office setup files to be deleted?)
Well there can be "good" hackers if they're putting their energies into helping companies or individuals build a strong security system and with that they're not creating viruses, but instead using their knowledge to test and improve the defenses. Quite different from those who are actually causing harm and \ or infringing on the personal systems.
I always thought of hackers as experienced coders/software developers. And Google seems to agree with me. Not sure when someone started thinking it was associated with open source, or even all programmers.
Though 'hacking' does mean programming. Usually in more complicated languages.
Back onto said topic, the IRC channel is growing. It's has seen some fairly busy days recently, and there's a good number of regulars that come and go. Good news.
That would require CorpseGrinder to get ChanServ to auto-op you. At the moment, only CorpseGrinder and NY have auto-op. It's a bit of effort to just set everyone to auto-op.
EDIT: Also, Win2K is one of the best versions of Windows ever.
Shonikado wrote:Looking back on what we've done and wanting to change it is the first step in becoming a weakling that cannot do anything.
Well from what I remember, I had to register for some kind of an account. Then CorpseGrinder could set auto-op for me.
And yes, the channel has been quite populated in the latest days. Maybe not 24/7 but there has been some time, at least almost every day. There have just been 8 clients, including me, before myself leaving the channel.
Yeah, you also have to register with NickServ, and then you can. Registering with NickServ is a bit inconvenient for Mibbit users though, as you have to identify yourself each time, other IRC clients have an auto-command list for doing that on startup.
Shonikado wrote:Looking back on what we've done and wanting to change it is the first step in becoming a weakling that cannot do anything.
Sorry to double-post, but no-one minds if I get a bot running in the channel to auto-op everyone? (Not random passers-by, but everyone from here, anyway.)
Shonikado wrote:Looking back on what we've done and wanting to change it is the first step in becoming a weakling that cannot do anything.