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Wait what, the president must nontheless be Christian? Isn't that only formally, like when giving the presidental oath or something?

So what the garg has religion to do with politics?
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As I believe Lava89 has mentioned, Protestants and Catholics have a different (although similar in many ways) idea of Christ than that of Mormons. If "christian" simply means follower of Jesus, then yes, both parties are a follower of 'a' Jesus. The only problem I see in this is that the meaning of 'Christian' and the ideologies associated with the term are muddled further than they already are.

Whether it's possible to elect a candidate that doesn't profess to be catholic or protestant, I don't know. I'd like to think so. I voted for Mitt Romney in last election's GOP primary, I may do the same in the upcoming.
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@Grimson: RoboBlue originally stated it in terms of Romney's chances against Perry and others for the republican nomination, I think (I only glimpsed the post before it was edited).
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Grimson wrote:Wait what, the president must nontheless be Christian? Isn't that only formally, like when giving the presidental oath or something?

So what the garg has religion to do with politics?
It's sort of like race, hometown, and upbringing. These are things that most people say don't matter to them, but secretly influence their votes and opinions.
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Ceilick wrote:
Paramultart wrote:Satan.
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Bit harsh...
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thehackercat wrote:
Grimson wrote:Wait what, the president must nontheless be Christian? Isn't that only formally, like when giving the presidental oath or something?

So what the garg has religion to do with politics?
It's sort of like race, hometown, and upbringing. These are things that most people say don't matter to them, but secretly influence their votes and opinions.
Religion's a much bigger deal in the US than race or hometown, though. While you generally won't find people from the KKK screaming about Obama's race (I refuse to label the birther movement as racism, because that would imply that the pundits and politicians involved actually believed what they were claiming), it seems like candidates' religions are brought up almost every day during the election cycle.
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There have been at least two non-Protestant, non-Catholic presidents elected in the US: Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, both deists. A deist elected to the US presidency is far less likely now that it was ~two hundred thirty years ago, though.
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DHeadshot wrote:
Ceilick wrote:
Paramultart wrote:Satan.
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Bit harsh...
It may be the culmination of things and all, but I agree that it probably was a bit harsh.

Also: Australia's parliament is opened with a prayer every day - for a liberal society it sure ain't a liberal practice.
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Wikipedia lists Madison as a practicing Episcopalian, while Jefferson did at least claim to be a Christian in a broader sense; he clearly doesn't fit in well with the major Protestant or Catholic branches though.
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A lot of Christians consider Mormonism not to be part of Christianity. It depends on how you define Christianity. I don't see what the issue is here.

Edit: As to whether he can be voted, it really depends on how much they play the religion card. I'm not sure I see people caring too much, what with the economy being the prime issue and all. Then again, I don't subscribe to this insanity, so I could be wrong.
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From what I've read about Jefferson, it seems he swung between deism and Christianity - although he was a bit.... "heretical", for lack of a better word. I think he denied the deity of Christ, like Isaac Newton. Or didn't believe in the Trinity or something. I'll have to look it up.
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RoboBlue wrote:Wikipedia lists Madison as a practicing Episcopalian, while Jefferson did at least claim to be a Christian in a broader sense; he clearly doesn't fit in well with the major Protestant or Catholic branches though.
Hmm, okay. My model of James Madison is updated. At least he's still not Protestant or Catholic.
@hackercat: Jefferson's heresy might have been his personally produced edition of the New Testament with the moral lessons intact and the miracles removed.
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