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Keening_Product wrote:Considering most of those are never used here and some are real problems no matter how much you deny it, no. I really hope they are not banned. (Though I suspect you were not being serious.)
Why shouldn't the racial slurs at least be banned? Equality nao plz.
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It'd be troublesome if you were to ban the word "cracker" because there's an obvious legit use for it.

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Not to mention "white devil" and "white privilege" are multiple word combinations, would that even work? (And why should they be banned?) Not to mention most of these can be used in a descriptive context, which makes more sense considering this community...

tl;dr too troublesome, no reason to do so on this community. I expect us all to be decent people.
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I demand damn to be unbanned because it has a legitimate use as dam.
Also, a dickey.

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DaVince wrote: tl;dr too troublesome, no reason to do so on this community. I expect us all to be decent people.
You would expect us all to be decent enough to not use "the N word", too.

So why is it the only racial slur banned?

foob, foob, chink, foob (lol, as if that's a racial slur), nip, foob, honky, weaboo and neckbeard.

Look at all the people being oppressed by our biased censors!
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What N word? What do you get? As far as I know, foob isn't a swear.

edit: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! :lol
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lol peckerwood
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foob = ???
foob = vortininja
chink = fleckt
foob =shikadi
nip = shockshund
foob = yorp
honky = berkeloid
weaboo = nospike
neckbeard = dopefish
everything else = orbatrix

etc. = gik

beer = vitalin
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New word filter rule: every word is gik
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gik gik gik gik gik gik gik gik gik gik

edit: okay, a real list:

B word – Shockshund (female)
the other B word – Berkeloid
Damn – Omegamatic, Fribbulus Xax, Gannalech... I haven't decided.
the other D word – it rhymes with Gik, but nospike is kinda phallic
The T word – Bobba
The alternate spelling of Arse: Lick? Ceilick? Gnosticus? Maybe this :moon
Pizz – Zippo
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I say every use of cr*cker should be changed to para.


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An issue with the censoring\acceptability of a word is its impact. Not just 'can someone be offended by this?', which is a given for any word, but 'What is the average offense this word causes.' The false equivalence usually drawn is between a word used on a disenfranchised group vs that used against a powerful group.

As a white individual I have the luxury of not caring about racial epithets. I have never had to feel scared or humiliated or oppressed by them. Indeed they are near amusing. (Honkey? Seriously? Who would even use that?) On the other hand I am much more sensitive to sexual terms as they have frequently been used against me.

In the end you cannot make a decision for a group, even if you are part of it. A group as a whole must step forward and voice their concern and be listened to. Such matters are not advanced by hysterical commentators blathering about how any infringement on their rights to be asshats will inevitably lead to the banning of the stars and stripes.

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Or it could be replaced with 'corks' (Short for Caucasian.)
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Paramultart wrote:Why shouldn't the racial slurs at least be banned? Equality nao plz.
I agree with kraut, but I've not seen it be a problem on this forum. I think the only time I've seen it used was in the music threads in relation to a style of music.

Even Urban Dictionary acknowledged "honkey" has a degree of subversion to it - it was a word used by the OPPRESSED to describe the oppressors. I wouldn't like being called it, but when applied to confederate flag flyers, I think it's appropriate. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=honkey

Cracker: given most of your arguments imply that black people are in some way, somehow, oppressing the privileged, white, never-been-slaves majority, I will point out that this term was invented by white people for use against other white people. I don't agree with it, but in this context I think you're clutching at straws.

Peckerwood: more an economic slur. Bear in mind that, in hyper-capitalist America, the systematic oppression of black people means that racial insults against black people can carry economic meanings too. Being a socialist I would object to viewing people by economic status.

White devil: cute. When someone uses that phrase (or, in fact, any of them here) here to describe a whole group of people let me know.

White privilege: not racism at all. You live in a country built on slavery, and if you're in the south you live somewhere where being black could actually severely limit your career opportunities based on soft conservatives not being able to keep from teaching their kids racism. That you can sit on this forum and use the n word on spam post threads while simultaneously posting this crap with no provocation, which while trolling seems to be backed by a belief that somehow white people are being oppressed, with no repercussions in real life suggests to me that you should maybe, and I very rarely use this phrase but I know it'll resonate, check your privilege.

EDIT: Also, what lass said.
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Keening_Product wrote: I agree with kraut, but I've not seen it be a problem on this forum. I think the only time I've seen it used was in the music threads in relation to a style of music.
The N word has never been used on this forum until I brought it up. Therefore, it has no more a reason to be banned than any of the other racial slurs I've listed.
Even Urban Dictionary acknowledged "honkey" has a degree of subversion to it - it was a word used by the OPPRESSED to describe the oppressors. I wouldn't like being called it, but when applied to confederate flag flyers, I think it's appropriate.
Oh, okay. Then I think "LE ENN WORD" is appropriate to describe gang banging criminals.
Would you call the black men and women supporting the confederate flag honkies? Or is that only exclusive to the white devils?

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/blac ... activists/
Cracker: given most of your arguments imply that black people are in some way, somehow, oppressing the privileged, white, never-been-slaves majority, I will point out that this term was invented by white people for use against other white people. I don't agree with it, but in this context I think you're clutching at straws.
"Never been slaves"? That's funny... My ancestors were slaves. Irish slaves. There were quite a few of them, actually.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

Yeah, my people weren't treated well in this country.

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White privilege: not racism at all.
White people living in white communities and working hard to support their white families does not constitute as racism or privilege; it constitutes people happily living their lives.

African Americans are the most protected class in the United States. There are so many "programs" exclusively for them it's not even funny, and despite what you're hearing from the media, white-on-black racism is nearly non-existent here... Even from the conservative side.

No one is holding them back right now, which should speak volumes on the current racial climate.
You live in a country built on slavery

Ah, yes... Because the US invented slavery, right? If this country were built on slavery, then how did it manage to prosper after slavery was abolished?
if you're in the south you live somewhere where being black could actually severely limit your career opportunities based on soft conservatives not being able to keep from teaching their kids racism.
I basically do live in the south. No one is racist against blacks here, sadly enough. The nearest branch of the KKK is several hundred miles away, and from my experience, those guys are harmless.

Meanwhile, a white kid in my area just got the snot beaten out of him by a group of black kids for no other reason than he was white. This was supposedly in response to the South Carolina shooting. Anti-white racial slurs ensued, and no white people helped the white victim in fear of being charged with a hate crime. Ahh, race baiting in the media sure pays off, doesn't it?
That you can sit on this forum and use the n word on spam post threads while simultaneously posting this crap with no provocation
I wouldn't say there's no provocation. Maybe not from these Commander Keen forums, but there's certainly provocation. You of all people should know how race baiting works. ;)
trolling seems to be backed by a belief that somehow white people are being oppressed
But whites are being persecuted. You are speaking out against whites. You are not alone. You are "generalizing" and oppressing a demographic that you deem to be privileged and racist. That's racist, and you should check your privilege.
no repercussions in real life
Almost sounds like you want there to be.

No repercussions in real life? Lol. Butthurt savages at school and work have physically attacked me after catching wind of my beliefs. Rather than deny anything, I stand by my words because I'm not afraid to speak the truth. That doesn't always work out in my favour in this topsy turvey world, but thankfully I'm a strong man despite my health issues and have never lost a fight.

Don't tell me you're one of those people who think it's okay to break the law and physically assault someone over some naughty words and thought crimes, do you?
suggests to me that you should maybe, and I very rarely use this phrase but I know it'll resonate, check your privilege.
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Lass wrote: As a white individual I have the luxury of not caring about racial epithets. I have never had to feel scared or humiliated or oppressed by them. Indeed they are near amusing. (Honkey? Seriously? Who would even use that?) On the other hand I am much more sensitive to sexual terms as they have frequently been used against me.
The work "cracker" and "honkey" might not be so amusing to you had you been unfortunate enough to grow up in a "black neighborhood" in the US, where you would most certainly be attacked and hated for the colour of your skin.

Black-on-white racism most certainly exists, and it is just as ugly (and in the US, is more destructive than) any other racism. Since they're a protected class, many turn a blind eye to it. That's not pro-black, but simply anti-white.

But hey, it's white people's duty to help everyone else out, while blaming themselves for everything and humbly accepting the hatred spewed at them.

Just look what a $50,000/yr education buys you in the US:
https://youtu.be/v-qPgwmUYfs

It seems 100% of all colleges & universities are leftist communist factories, the one I attended certainly being no exception. I wonder if there's some kind of conspiracy behind that? (puts on le "tinfoil hat" lelelele)

"I'm proud to be black", said the African American.
"I'm proud to be Korean", said the Asian American.
"I'm proud to be Mexican", said the undocumented Mexican American.
"I'm proud to be white", said the evil nazi bigot who can't keep his privilege in check.

Oh, by the way... Black people are neeeever charged with "hate crimes", no matter how racially motivated the attacks are.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/20 ... /29775635/

I guess that's because, according to some people's sentiments, white people deserve all the violence they get?
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Paramultart wrote: Oh, okay. Then I think "LE ENN WORD" is appropriate to describe gang banging criminals.
So foob is the only gang-banging criminal that ever existed?

Paramultart wrote:The word "cracker" and "honkey" might not be so amusing to you had you been unfortunate enough to grow up in a "black neighborhood" in the US, where you would most certainly be attacked and hated for the colour of your skin.
Yeah? I was a small white kid in a black cul-de-sac. Guess what? You're just supposed to suck it up. That stuff never happened to me, though, and you know the Proof-By-Example fallacy means that it automatically doesn't happen anywhere else because I had one counter example.

Paramultart wrote:It seems 100% of all colleges & universities are leftist communist factories, the one I attended certainly being no exception. I wonder if there's some kind of conspiracy behind that? (puts on le "tinfoil hat" lelelele)

"I'm proud to be black", said the African American.
"I'm proud to be Korean", said the Asian American.
"I'm proud to be Mexican", said the undocumented Mexican American.
"I'm proud to be white", said the evil nazi bigot who can't keep his privilege in check.
You just copied that from a facebook post you copied from somewhere else. It's not your original tinfoil hat invention.
Paramultart wrote:Oh, by the way... Black people are neeeever charged with "hate crimes", no matter how racially motivated the attacks are.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/20 ... /29775635/

I guess that's because, according to some people's sentiments, white people deserve all the violence they get?
Now that's YOUR proof-by-example fallacy. No black person was ever charged with a hate crime... ever? But Kenneth Eng went to jail for his mentally unhinged Asian Supremacist articles? One of which was "Why I Hate Blacks." That's so unfair to the God of the Universe :'( Oh, and his other article was "Why I Hate Whites." Oh my god! He was held accountable for that! :eek
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This is how I see it:

There are certain words that are virtually always rude and/or unacceptable. These are very easy to identify and remove; in fact, the forum has already been set up to strip them out.

Then there are phrases and other words that may or may not be considered offensive or off-color depending on who you ask. Some words that fall into this category have completely legitimate uses (e.g. "cracker"). That fact makes them very difficult to flag automatically without producing unacceptable quantities of false positives. Another problem with auto-detection is the list of such words/phrases is unclear, very long, and constantly changing.

Therefore, I believe the moderation of such utterances should be done on a case-by-case basis by human moderators. Words in that second category are only problematic if they cause real offense to anybody involved, so moderators should probably talk with the participants of a questionable conversation to determine what the intended and received meanings were. Actually, that could (should?) be done by community members who don't have the power to silence people. I think people would feel better and develop more empathy by voluntarily adjusting their communication as a response to gentle, non-binding admonishment.

It's also worth noting that it is definitely possible to be rude using only "clean" words. Our community is small enough that genuine offense is had only rarely, so upstanding community members can definitely sort out any problems without Herculean effort.

To finish off this sub-discussion, I don't think I'll put effort into developing auto-censoring of the aforementioned slurs. I'll stick to less emotionally- and politically-charged measurements, like the presence of links, time between posts, and join date.
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