GoldenRishi wrote: press charges
haha, what the hell? seriously? over a forum about an old PC game?
i think 'forum drama' happens when people get bored. there really isnt much to do here really :/ it takes people forever to release the tiniest sliver of a mod. there are other places to go to on the internet you know guys, in the interim.
Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear. I was not, for second, actually advocating for someone pressing charges (Indeed, I believe that I said the opposite). I was, however, stating that VBB should be aware that was he is doing could be considered illegal, and he should be aware of that if he does this to the wrong person, he may very well find himself in court. I'm not arguing that he should have this happen to him, but to make it aware to him that this could happen if he continues to do this.
(And contrary to Para's statement that revealing names is not doxing, it is doxing
. I gave a link above over the legalities of doxing, what it is, when it can be considered illegal, etc.)
I know I'm not your intended responder, but what I have to say is relevant for this.
Let's look at the bottom of the rules:
tulip wrote:Remember: You are a guest, act like one.
To me that captures what PCKF is and isn't.
I can't really say PCKF is my home, because I don't own it, I'm a guest. So maybe the title "Public Commander Keen Forum", is a bit misleading? Because it's not really public per say, in the strictest sense of the word (i.e. everyone here shares ownership). PCKF isn't the only place to talk about Keen (we used to also have Beyond the Pogo) and maybe there needs to be more than one?
I hear you on this and think it may be a valid point, but I would like to say a few things:
1.) As for multiple forums, there's probably a reason that Beyond the Pogo failed, and that's that I doubt there's enough interest or people to maintain activity on two Keen forums. At the end of the day, for better or for worse whatever one's opinion is, PCKF won out because it seems that most people like it the most, it has a long reliable history, and most people seem to like this forum best. Do I think that editing out swearing and pretending like this forum is actually for children when there hasn't been someone under the age of 13 on here for probably a decade is a sensible policy? I mean, not really. Am I going to quite PCKF over it? No. I don't care that
2.) I have been on forums where the adminship has been abusive and authoritarian (The forum is now basically dead). In fact, I modded for that forum for a while but I had to tender my modship because the forum was run like a regime where the members where not respected, where certain members were openly discriminated against, and the lead admin routinely abused members and created a culture where his mods felt it was okay to follow suite. So I can tell you with some experience that PCKF is definitely not that
3.) I can be pretty sure that this forum isn't authoritarian because I've openly and somewhat impolitely disagreed with Keening_Product (a mod) on a political issue in the past, and no mod stepped in and threatened to warn/ban me. In other words, PCKF has seemed to support descenting opinions (historically so, too, for anyone who remembers the legacy "Is Harry Potter Evil/Bad?" thread), so if Paramultart had simply expressed views different from the moderators, I very much doubt that he would be banned. I've only been back for 6 months after a ~7 year hiatus, but I can't see anything so far to suggest that I'm wrong about this, but please tell me if I am.
Maybe people should have a dialogue with the mods out of what they want out of PCKF if something isn't working for them. I doubt that the mods are just going to tell everyone to pound sand.
So that's where I want to go next, solutions. People keep throwing around this or that as to what Para exactly got banned for (i.e. ranting about social issues, doxing people etc). But what I want to ask the Mods, and the Mods only who were personally involved with Para's banning-- what exactly, on paper, officialy got Paramultart banned?
Some people might think this is an obvious and dumb question. I certainly have my own opinion as to "what did it". But I just want it out, for the record, from the actual people who made the decision to axe him.
I had the same question, so I PM'ed Ceilick. He gave me a list of the rules that Para had broken and discussed, without going into the details, that Para had doxed a mod. And, honestly, I couldn't see how their opinions were wrong, having read what Paramultart had done/said in the past. They may make their opinions known publicly, that's their choice, but you can certainly PM a mod and they'll be very straight with you. They were with me, anyways.
Now again, personally, I side on the idea that forums should be more about free speech and maybe should allow members to state their views (racist or otherwise) in the Miscellaneous forum (or maybe an age-moderated forum with more free speech, if members collectively want this), but it's absolutely impossible to argue that Paramultart did not break most of PCKF's rules (whether you agree with them or not), especially the most important one's including posting racist comments and deliberately trying to annoy/offend other members, nor do I think could one convincely argue that he hadn't been doing so for months. Again, your Off-Topic thread is a pretty large testament to many of those rule violations.