EDIT: you can read the various "closed-minded"s in the post as "narrow-minded". I can't be bothered to edit it.
MOM4Evr wrote:No offense taken. Sorry if I came across as angry, I didn't mean to.
Good :)
MOM4Evr wrote:Playing games as a 7 year old where you go around shooting other people isn't exactly the best thing to be doing, man. :crazy Games rated "Teen" are rated "Teen" for a reason. (I actually can't remember if Red Alert was rated Teen, but I think it was)
Why not? I've been playing Doom and Red Alert since when I was 3 and I don't consider myself to be a serial killer. Games rated "Teen" are rated "Teen" because families association, christian groups and all that garg (no offense) annoy the fucl out of video game developers.
MOM4Evr wrote:Sorry, I think I phrased that a bit poorly. Sure most games are fun (I'd say 95% of games ARE fun, excluding some pathetic Big Fish Games and the like). That's the point, right? Just finding games that are clean AND fun is really hard. I don't personally like games that are too terribly easy, or lack depth of gameplay, like a lot of the titles out there.
But why would you want to look exclusively for clean games? (you already answered below though).
Also, games don't need to be easy or hard, they just need to be fun although definitely challenging at times. As for the lack depth of gameplay, that's call of duty for you.
MOM4Evr wrote:I'm sorry, I just don't think that way. I'm a Christian, not to say that that means "Doom is bad, violent video games are of the Devil, yadda yadda yadda", but I don't personally find any glory in games that involve blowing other people up, killing stuff constantly, naked women, cuss words, etc. Games like that for me just don't seem fun at all. I'd rather play a game that has depth of gameplay than a game that has complicated controls or "cool" graphics.
If you are implying that being christian means being closed minded then fine. But if you aren't, then you are closed minded. How does being christian mean you can't play "violent" games? I know countless religious people (Doom 2's main level designer is a mormon) who play the so called violent videogames. also this statement:
"not to say that that means "Doom is bad, violent video games are of the Devil, yadda yadda yadda""
automatically contradicts this one:
"but I don't personally find any glory in games that involve blowing other people up, killing stuff constantly, naked women, cuss words, etc."
In other words, games like Keen might have weird forests with plants with eyes as their setting, whereas games like Duke Nukem 3D feature guns and blood. There really isn't much difference if you think about it.
This is exactly like, I hate nazism and I refuse to play Wolfenstein 3D because it features swasticas in the textures. How pointless is this? (I still don't play the original Wolfenstein 3D game though, because I think it's a very boring and repetitive game.)
So yeah, if you're going against "violent" games at least come up with a better argument that doesn't show you're closed minded. (I still don't want to sound offensive). I won't even go on to mention the "Violence in videogames is not like violence in real life, if you kill a person in a video game you don't kill one in real life"
MOM4Evr wrote:Hee, hee. Define "fact." ;)
Everything I said so far is a fact. Prove me wrong.
MOM4Evr wrote:Yep. A pretty overused genre. I'd personally like to see more creativity on the part of game developers. And the big game companies wonder why developers who come in and create cool, new ideas for games (aka indie game companies) do so well... I think most people are sick of the same old same old.
You people treat FPS games like they have always been the only type of game in existence. They simply replaced platformer games in terms of the most popular genre. Whereas I hate with a passion games like Call of Duty, disliking a game just because it's a FPS is a pretty pointless decision.
MOM4Evr wrote:It seems that the small companies are not afraid to start a new type of gameplay, and the big companies want to stick with the trusted gamplay.
And I've already said why.
MOM4Evr wrote:Really, what DID happen to good gameplay? Keen uses the left and right arrow keys and two other buttons (If you play with two-button firing, which I do), and feels incredibly fun. I played this LOTR game once that had all these complicated key combinations you had to memorize to be able to do some powerful sword swing. Pathetic. I just hacked back and forth by pressing one button over and over. Games are supposed to be a fun diversion, not some complicated thing you have to memorize how to use.
I agree. But I didn't mean to say there aren't good games in the market anymore because there certainly are.
MOM4Evr wrote:I always thought Mario was cool. But then again, I've never played it.
This is exactly like saying "Keen is cool but I don't know what it is". Like, seriously? You have never played Mario? Get "The Second Reality Project Reloaded" at once.
CKeen wrote:The hanged commander keen sprite was an idea by Adrian Carmack because during the keen era he became tired of working with a "silly character" and wanted a more serious game. I can't blame him for that, either.
Dunno. Are serious games really better? And what constitutes "better"?[/quote]
Doom isn't even a serious game. Look at how unrealistic the maps look. As in serious I just meant less light-hearted than a 2d platformer.
I have more fun playing Doom than Keen obviously because of the more variety in the traps and gameplay.