This looks very interesting! However, can you also provide links?
btw welcome to the forum.
Thanks guys. i'm not sure what the forum policies were, so I didn't link to anything just yet. I was pretty specific, most things can be found via Google or via the Beta Archives forum that BrainRain linked to.
Wacky Kart? Interesting! And there's more Hocus Pocus? More interestingness...es..ss
All I know is that there's a version 1.0 that mentions "Keen Meets the Meats" and a version 1.13 that doesn't.
Yeah, there's supposedly another WW beta from a bit later that I haven't got my hands on just yet. I think it is called WW and not WK at that point.
Haven't played Wacky Kart yet but I think 6 of the 8 sprites of the racers are different.
On Keen Dreams, beta may be a bit misleading. It's the older version which I think of as a beta that mentions the sequel about Meat.

I think there is another difference or two, though.
Yeah, Hocus Pocus beta is interesting. The music is different, a liitle more complicated than the final versions, although the same tunes are used.
He doesn't have his robes yet, I think some of the levels are different (episode 1) but I haven't played it just yet. There's a lot of mention of hundreds of levels in the archives, too. I wonder if they're accessible..
Here's a couple of interesting screens I've uploaded:
http://www.sierramusiccentral.com/assorted/DOS.bmp
DOS prompt screen which mentions a trilogy, with episode 2's boss being Trolodon and episode 3 being "the evil Megameanie". The princess is also Angela.
http://www.sierramusiccentral.com/assor ... ed_end.bmp
This is an unused ending screen for episode 1, with the Mad Monks tied up and a really ugly Hocus sprite sans robes holding a journal of some kind, not sure what.
Thanks to BrainRain for the links.
Yeah, some people on 3DR definitely are holding out, like the original Apogee people, George, Scott and Joe.. I don't understand why, i got a letter from Joe Siegler this week after I asked him a few things saying it would be like stabbing George/Scott in the back to release what he has. I don't really understand that comment, but I know he will never change, he never has in 20 years.
But anyway, what BrainRain said. We just need to band together and find things out ourselves. See below for some ROC beta info:
As most will know, "Realms of Chaos" started out back in 1992 as a Paganitzu sequel, "Paganitzu II", with a more action adventure theme. By 1993/4, it had become "Alabama Smith & The Bloodfire Pendant", which was changed for unknown reasons to "Realms of Chaos" in 1994, especially curious given the final game still features a Paganitzu sequel-style ending.
In the beta resources, there are several interesting Paga and Alabama references. The music for one, has the theme that would become the Realms theme titled "Paga Theme", and some pieces that did not make the final game are called "bfp2 (title)", referring to "Bloodfire Pendant, Paga II".
Additionally, there are images similar to the one that Joe Siegler posted on the 3DR forums of the Alabama Smith title screen, from the prototype he has (wish I could get that!!).
Title screen 1:
http://www.sierramusiccentral.com/assorted/alabama1.bmp
Title screen 2:
http://www.sierramusiccentral.com/assorted/alabama2.bmp
Title screen 3:
http://www.sierramusiccentral.com/assorted/camelot.bmp
You can see that in 1993, Alabama Smith part 1 was called "The Camelot Portal". There are many levels referenced in the resources called Camelot something or other, but I couldn't get any to view. I wonder if someone can mess with the resources and get a working Alabama game out of it..
Finally,
Chimera:
http://www.sierramusiccentral.com/assorted/chimera.bmp
I think this is a mini boss in the beta ROC, I forget if it's in the retail game, but I don't think so. I will play the beta sometime soon and post more.
Even in the ROC side of things, there seems to be a couple differences, with the name of the level on screen, the short intro slides, and the 7 DukeII style secret bonuses, and the warping Secret Areas.
Very interesting stuff!