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Post by KeenRush » Mon Mar 30, 2009 21:31

Using serious glitches and save/load to get to the level edge and thus finish the level while being dead (or dying anyway) -- I don't think such runs should be count.
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Post by Gr1nreaper » Mon Mar 30, 2009 22:59

In that case neither of the Keen 6 speed runs count as they both exploit serious clipping errors and use IB to complete. The Keen Dreams 5:08 speed run wouldn't count either for the same reason. It uses the die at level edge glitch as well.

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Post by KeenEmpire » Tue Mar 31, 2009 0:31

Sanitars used the glitches to do keen 6. The load/save glitch is serious even by my leisurely standards, however.
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Post by Genius314 » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:55

Gr1nreaper wrote:Well apparently the record for Keen 5 is 2:42.
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I give up.
And yes, I do think this counts. Bugs count, cheats don't.

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Post by KeenEmpire » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:02

Genius314 wrote: I give up.
And yes, I do think this counts. Bugs count, cheats don't.
Saving and reloading is on the verge of questionability.
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Post by Gr1nreaper » Wed Apr 01, 2009 14:59

IMO it totally counts, and I believe it could be done in less time still. You see where he takes too long to break the fuse in Korath Base III? Also the new record for Keen 6 appears to be 3:29.

I was checking out the profile for 3v3ryUs3rn4m31sT4k3n - the guy who did the keen 5 2:42 speed run, and found something fascinating from Keen 6. I remember reading about this secret area in the Second Dome of Darkness years ago, but never really looked for it.

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Post by matonen » Wed Apr 01, 2009 18:34

I dislike glitch runs, but i guess it counts then :/

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Post by Genius314 » Wed Apr 01, 2009 20:08

Gr1nreaper wrote:I was checking out the profile for 3v3ryUs3rn4m31sT4k3n - the guy who did the keen 5 2:42 speed run, and found something fascinating from Keen 6. I remember reading about this secret area in the Second Dome of Darkness years ago, but never really looked for it.
Is this just another April Fools joke (I didn't think so, since the video was posted in February...), because I can't find that "door" anywhere?

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Post by Gr1nreaper » Wed Apr 01, 2009 20:34

I don't think it's a joke. I just did a google search and found other references of it here: http://www.al-morrin.co.uk/samira/keen/hints6.html. Here's the quote.
There is a mirror in the Second Dome of Darkness . To get to it, use the no clippings cheat while jumping up and right. Save the game, then return to it, and you should be in a dark area beyond 'blocks'. Use the no clippings cheat again to get below the platform of blocks and you should see a mirror with the letters 'ICU' above them. At least I can't see it myself, but others have.

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Post by Genius314 » Wed Apr 01, 2009 22:25

So then... does anyone have any specific details as to how to get there? I try and time it the same as in the video, but I can't do it. (Unless it was removed in the version that I have?)

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Post by Commander Spleen » Thu Apr 02, 2009 0:17

I vote glitch runs and legitimate speed runs be kept as separate records for each episode (and indeed version for the glitch runs, in case they differ). That would be the only fair way to do it.

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Post by Spatula » Thu Apr 02, 2009 0:39

Agreed. Glitch runs should be separate.

If anyone makes a Galaxy run using the save/load glitch, a K6 Run using the impossible bullet, or a Vorticons run using the F8 glitch, it should be in a different category.
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Post by Gr1nreaper » Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:21

In that case, to the best of my knowledge, there are no existing speed run records for Keen 6. Let the competition begin!

I think Genius314 had a good question though. What version of keen 6 has the secret area with the mirror?

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Post by KeenEmpire » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:35

I see a difference between glitch runs that involve saving and loading, and those that don't. But it might just be me.
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Post by KeenRush » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:33

Wow, great job with the mirror video -- but it's a faux. Someone (and I have a feeling I know who :)) just added some new tiles and stuff there. This thing was done years ago with a fake screenshot -- but it's nice to see it coming alive this way. :p
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